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Washington DC - 1 May 2019
1. Wide, Senate Judiciary Committee
2. SOUNDBITE: (English) Sen. Cory Booker, Democrat - New Jersey:
"We right now have a new normal in our country. We have a document that shows over 200 hundred attempts, connections between a presidential campaign and a foreign adversary sharing information that would be illegal if you did it with a super PAC. We know that. (Barr: What information was shared?) The polling data was shared sir. It's in the report I can cite you the page. (Barr: With who?) And I guess my point here is is that your willingness to seem to brush over this and use words like the American people should be grateful. What's in this report? Nobody should be grateful."
3. Back view of hearing
4. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"Sen. Kamala Harris: Attorney General Barr has the president or anyone at the White House ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone?
Umm, I wouldn't I wouldn't.
Harris: Yes or no.
Could you repeat that question?"
5. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Kamala Harris, Democrat - California:
"I will repeat it. Has the president or anyone at the White House ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? Yes or no please sir?"
6. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"The president or anybody else.
Harris: Seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us.
Yeah but I'm trying to grapple with the words suggest. I mean there have been discussions of of matters out there that they have not asked me to open investigation but ...
Harris: Perhaps they've suggested?
I don't know, I wouldn't say suggest.
Harris: Hinted? Inferred?"
7. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Kamala Harris, Democrat - California:
"Is in reaching your conclusion did you personally review all of the underlying evidence?"
8. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"No. We took and ...
Harris: Did Mr. Rosenstein?
No we accepted the statements in the report as the factual record. We did not go underneath it to see whether or not they were accurate. We accepted it as accurate."
9. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Kamala Harris, Democrat - California:
"As the Attorney General of the United States. You run the United States Department of Justice. If in any U.S. attorney's office around the country, the head of that office when being asked to make a critical decision about in this case the person who holds the highest office in the land and whether or not that person committed a crime, would you accept them recommending a charging decision to you if they had not reviewed the evidence?
Barr: Well that's a question for Bob Mueller. He's the U.S. attorney. He's the one who presents the report.
But it was you who made the charging decision, sir? You made the decision not to charge the president."
10. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"In a pross (process) memo and then a declination memo.
Harris: You said it was your baby, what did you mean by that?
It was my baby to to let to decide whether or not to disclose it to the public
Harris: And whose decision was it? Who had the power to make the decision about whether or not the evidence was sufficient to make a determination of whether there had been an obstruction of justice?
Prosecution memos go up to the supervisor, in this case it was the the attorney general and the deputy attorney general who who decide on the final decision."
11. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Democrat - Minnesota:
"Mr. Attorney General, on April 27th President Trump stated 'Mueller, I assume for 35 million dollars he checked my taxes and he checked my financials.' Is that accurate? Did the special counsel review the president's taxes and the Trump Organization's financial statements?"
12. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"I don't know.
Klobuchar: Can you find out if I ask later in a written question?
I, yes or you could ask Bob Mueller when he comes here.
Klobuchar: OK I'll do that too."
13. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Democrat - Connecticut:
"In fact in response to your question 'why not just pick up the phone,' this letter was an extraordinary act. A career prosecutor rebuking the attorney general of the United States, memorializing in writing. Right? I know of no other instance of that happening. Do you?"
14. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"I don't consider Bob at this stage a career prosecutor. He's had a career as a prosecutor.
Blumenthal: Well, he's a very eminent prosecutor.
He was the head of the FBI for 12 years.
Blumenthal: He's a career a law enforcement professional, right? Yeah I know of no other instance of ...
But he was also political appointee and he was a political appointee with me at the Department of Justice. I don't know the letters a bit snitty and I think it was probably written by one of his staff people."
15. SOUNDBITE (English) Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Democrat - Connecticut:
"Did you make a memorandum of your conversation? Did you make a memorandum"
Barr: I didn't.
Did anyone, either you or anyone on your staff memorialize your conversation with Robert Mueller?"
16. SOUNDBITE (English) William Barr, Attorney General:
"Yes.
Blumenthal: Who did that?
Barr: There were notes taken of the call.
Blumenthal: May we have those notes?
Barr: No
Blumethal: Why not?"
Barr: Why should you have them."
16. Pan, Barr leaving hearing
Private tensions between Justice Department leaders and Robert Mueller's team broke into public view in extraordinary fashion Wednesday as Attorney General William Barr pushed back at the special counsel's "snitty" complaints over his handling of the Trump-Russia investigation report.
Testifying for the first time since releasing Mueller's report, Barr said he was surprised Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Donald Trump had tried to obstruct justice, and that he had felt compelled to step in with his own judgment that the president had committed no crime.
Barr was also perturbed by a private letter Mueller sent him last month complaining that the attorney general had not properly portrayed the special counsel's finding.
Barr called the note "a bit snitty."
"I said 'Bob, what's with the letter? Just pick up the phone and call me if there is an issue,'" Barr said.
The airing of disagreements over the handling of the report followed Mueller's two-year investigation into Russian interference to help Trump in the 2016 campaign and the possibility that Trump's team conspired with the Russians.
During most of the investigation, the Justice Department and Mueller's team seemed to be unified in approach.
Republican and Democratic lawmakers have been anything but unified.
And their partisan divide was on full display during Wednesday's contentious Judiciary Committee hearing, which included three Democratic presidential candidates.
Some Republicans, in addition to defending Trump, focused on the president's 2016 Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton's email and campaign practices and what they argued has been a lack of investigation of them.
Democrats, for their part, moved to exploit the daylight between Barr and Mueller to attack the attorney general's credibility and accuse him of unduly spinning the special counsel's report in the president's favor.
Barr sought to minimize the rift by suggesting the special counsel's concerns were largely about process, not substance.
Barr's appearance gave him his most extensive opportunity to explain the department's actions, including his news conference held before the Mueller report's release.
Barr has also been invited to appear Thursday before the Democratic-led House Judiciary panel, but the Justice Department has said he would not testify if the committee insisted on having its lawyers question him.
Neither side broke much new ground Wednesday on the specifics of Mueller's investigation, though Barr did articulate a robust defense of Trump as he made clear his firm conviction that there was no prosecutable case against the president for obstruction of justice.
